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Based on this, on this along with the wrong blowback that Jacobin and Bernie Sanders have gotten for correctly suggesting that right wingers, incels and Qanons are the way they are in big part due to them being poor or near poor and that Left Social Democracy/Progressive Socialism would help them not be that way etc it seems that right wingers today are being dehumanized where even talking to them stains any liberal or leftist as a 'fascist enabler', 'grifter', 'right winger' , 'conservative' etc.  

I pointed out elsewhere but I will reintrate it here "It's baffling how liberals don't realize that by being so afraid of even talking about or being associated with some, basically neutral thing, be it a meme, a subculture, scene or social space online that the right has even so much as vaguely tried to associate itself with, they are literally ceding ground and surrendering said thing to the right. 

They demonize right wingers like they are subhuman (though technically right wingers are but that is beside the point). It reminds me of what happened to Muslims after 9/11 or the Japanese during WWII. Right wingers deserve blowback and criticism but calling them extremists and treating them as an enemy is not ideal.

See here for more. I'll add more here later from other sources and standpoints on this (W.I.P)

The right barely has to do any effort to take over something it seems, just make the vaguest gesture that said thing is their turf and culture war obsessed lefties immediately hand it over to them because they are obsessed with appearing pure and free of anything even vaguely "problematic".

t now seems that Liberal 2.0ers have right wing phobia/conservaphobia. They just attack attack them even if they are talking about something totally unrelated (like homeless in Oregon).  It is sickening, over the top and almost parady like. The primiative thinking of these Liberal 2.0 dolts (like the Twitter libs) it boggles my mind

Right wingers are bad but they are nowhere near as bad as they are made out to be above. The Republicans are more left than they were decades ago . It's just the Liberal 2.0ers and Dems have moved further left than the Republicans did in that time spam

I can see why some Left wingers and Democrats sympathize with the MAGA trolls & company and see them as marginalized since the MAGA trolls & company make people wrongly think they treated as badly as marginalized groups were and still are treated (even if they were which they are certainly not though they brought it on themselves) . 

I am not saying that it is wrong per say , since unlike those other marginalized groups , the MAGA trolls and hard rightists are who they are by choice not nature. They have nobody to blame for their actions but themselves for putting themselves in those positions they were in

Not all MAGA trolls and hard rightists are beyond hope (as Jon Kasich said at least a few Trump supporters might be redeemable) . No one is irredeemable 

So since I am a compassionate Left winger and contrarian who loves to be countercultural against the Liberal 2.0 mainstream (opposite of the 1960s hippies), I can see where some sects of Left wingers/Left Centrists and Democrats who say this "I guess I might need to try to be more empathetic toward conservatives. I tend to assume they chose between different ideologies but most often then not they just went along with whatever their parents believed."about those Hard right-Radical right/extreme Right wingers and MAGA trolls and hard rightists are coming from

So following those Left wingers/Left Centrists and Democrats who sympathize with those MAGA trolls and hard rightists line of thinking, why couldn’t these MAGA trolls & company and even extreme right wingers and far righters be deradicalized like Contrapoints does like here (with Caleb Cain) or like this article suggests? (as long as they are not deradicalized only to then become radicalized to be Liberal 2.0ers  I would rather the MAGA trolls & company only stay as they are than to become Liberal 2.0ers).   

After all, if we use this big tent type of thought, the Left Wing movement can always use a popular front against the Liberal 2.0s, (including Alt right), the extreme right wing and far right,  

But the MAGA trolls & company would need to be deradicalized first before they join before they join (but only if they become as deradicalized/left as Adam Something is now or as deradicalized/left as some progressive or left wing former MAGA trolls & company and right wing extremists and far right are now otherwise let those MAGA trolls & company wallow in their bigotry) .

Furthermore if we follow this big tent outside the box approach, these deradicalized MAGA trolls & company even though they would be deradicalized to be at least Center left (NON ULTRA Center left), would be seperate from the left when they help our side just like Leon Trotsky wanted the SDP to work alongside him and his allies but seperately). 

We Left Wingers are used to bringing in marginalized people to give them a positive cause to fight for, why stop now?

It wasn't long ago that our country demonized Muslims after 9/11, now they are doing it with Trump extremists I can’t help but see the similarities

It was great we did and continue to help Muslims not be stereotyped , discriminated against or hated, but if we don’t similarly help the MAGA trolls & company become at least Center left would we be hypocrites? 

Keep in mind, many MAGA trolls & company are apparently what some people would call brainwashed or cultists (I wouldn't use strong words like those 2 words to describe them but whatever).  MAGA trolls & company don’t know better. They live in their own little fantasy worlds. So maybe these MAGA trolls & company are brainwashed by Donald Trump . 

I am well versed in how brainwashed MAGA trolls & company are. MAGA trolls & company are fully unable to think independently and instead they rely on authoritarian power structure to inform them.

Though same commentators like these commentators, downplay that ‘control’ Trump has over his supporters. I echo what former President Barack Obama said about relatively non extreme conservative voters being misled by voting for Donald Trump.

MAGA trolls & company are dehumanized. They are cancelled (and they cancel back), shunned, insulted (not that they don’t bring that on themselves because they certainly do but still…) How much is too much? They are still humans. 

A lot of people become MAGA trolls & company, extreme right wing and far right due to their emotional response to shame, guilt, frustration and alienation so that should be taken into account with extremists on the right

People who treat the MAGA trolls & company and to a much lesser extent the extreme right wing and far right like some progressives do, even though it might be more than somewhat justified makes me think they don’t really care about truly marginalized groups as much as I thought either.   Like far left and far right both share authoritarian features, maybe it is something similar with people who trash other people who belong to an outgroup, regardless of political affiliation or outgroup characteristics 

If you hate some humans like some people hate the MAGA trolls & company and to a much lesser extent the extreme right wing and far right , you probably hate more than just the right wing somewhere in your heart. This feeds their us vs them attitude and creatives more grrrrrring

Comparing theMAGA trolls & company with Al Qaeda, ISIS and similar extremist terrorist groups seems very naïvely misguided , divisive , counterproductive, extremely ignorant , defaming , wrong and delegitimizing to both sides of that comparison

It is an insult to Al Qaeda and ISIS to be compared to the MAGA trolls & company. Al Qaeda and ISIS have relatively legit grievances over their countries literally being occupied by neocon Imperialists and globalists through wars like Soviet-Afghanistan war, Iraq War, Afghanistan War and similar western interventions along with the west pitting Israel against their home countries (when both groups should be close)  . 

What if the the MAGA trolls & company are really like the Wildings from Game of Thrones or Klingons from Star Trek TNG/DS9 where we think they are evil but they like the Wildings or Klingons from TNG/DS9 really aren’t as bad as we feared?

the MAGA trolls & company have imagined fake grievances made up in their minds due to them having too much of an imagination

the MAGA trolls & company may technically be domestic ‘terrorists’ (over zealous, SJW provocateurs or ruffians s better fitting than domestic terrorist) but they are not anywhere near as evil, bad or violent as ISIS, Al Qaeda and similar groups (despite the grievance thing I wrote above). 

Instead, if the domestic terrorists of the Trump party have to be compared to some terrible group of people, then compare them to the Weather Underground, Code Pink, Earth Liberation Front, MS 13 , the Family ,Red Commando, IRA, and the hooligans who attend soccer (football) matches in Europe instead of comparing them to ISIS and Al Qaeda and similar groups.

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